Comments on: Should I Stay or Should I Go: US in Iraq http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/new-ideas/should-i-stay-or-should-i-go-us-in-iraq.html Blog of an entrepreneur Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:31:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: paul lechner http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/new-ideas/should-i-stay-or-should-i-go-us-in-iraq.html#comment-2090 paul lechner Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:50:43 +0000 http://192.168.1.2/en/?p=602#comment-2090 I don't pretend to know about the reasons behind the reason of politicking but I think this is the best idea I've heard in a long time. Talk about cutting to the chase! It's the people that have to be involved anyway. I don’t pretend to know about the reasons behind the reason of politicking but I think this is the best idea I’ve heard in a long time. Talk about cutting to the chase! It’s the people that have to be involved anyway.

]]> By: Hernán L. Romay http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/new-ideas/should-i-stay-or-should-i-go-us-in-iraq.html#comment-2089 Hernán L. Romay Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:12:45 +0000 http://192.168.1.2/en/?p=602#comment-2089 Guys, 3+ years of war made you forget the real reason for the American invasion in Iraq? It was never meant to free anybody or to establish a democracy anywhere. It was all about oil and petrodollars! Saddam stood up and show his courage or mental illness (you choose how to call it) by switching from dollars to euros as the preferred exchange currency for oil barrels. That is said to be the main reason for the invasion, although we don´t hear much about it... A poll would only give politicians more ideas or ways to cover their rear ends and save their faces. I´m sorry I can criticize a lot and provide not solutions, but that´s how I see it. It´s a pointless war, as far as the world wellbeing is concerned, but it´s totally senseful for the US to continue to destroy the region, thus making it easier to conquer. One thing to remark on the news these days, Italian Prime Minister, Romano Prodi, will present before the General Assembly at the UN, a project to delay all executions worldwide. That is positive thinking! Guys, 3+ years of war made you forget the real reason for the American invasion in Iraq?

It was never meant to free anybody or to establish a democracy anywhere. It was all about oil and petrodollars!

Saddam stood up and show his courage or mental illness (you choose how to call it) by switching from dollars to euros as the preferred exchange currency for oil barrels. That is said to be the main reason for the invasion, although we don´t hear much about it…

A poll would only give politicians more ideas or ways to cover their rear ends and save their faces.

I´m sorry I can criticize a lot and provide not solutions, but that´s how I see it. It´s a pointless war, as far as the world wellbeing is concerned, but it´s totally senseful for the US to continue to destroy the region, thus making it easier to conquer.

One thing to remark on the news these days, Italian Prime Minister, Romano Prodi, will present before the General Assembly at the UN, a project to delay all executions worldwide. That is positive thinking!

]]> By: andrew jones http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/new-ideas/should-i-stay-or-should-i-go-us-in-iraq.html#comment-2088 andrew jones Sun, 31 Dec 2006 07:27:35 +0000 http://192.168.1.2/en/?p=602#comment-2088 I actually agree that a referendum in Iraq would be a great idea. Apparently a lot of Iraqis didn't like the iraq study report. Anyway, "Democratically elected leader Ahmadinejad is a master at getting Iranian voters to back him in his anti American agenda" actually this isn't quite the case. The Iranian party that Ahmadinejad is part of had a different candiate running for president, but they then switched their presidential candiate with 5 days notice. Hence many Iranians went to the polls thinking that their pres was in fact more moderate and Iranians have consistently voted for more moderate folks since then. I might add the pres doesn't really run iran, but the supreme leader / ayatollah who hasn't changed in awhile. I actually agree that a referendum in Iraq would be a great idea. Apparently a lot of Iraqis didn’t like the iraq study report. Anyway, “Democratically elected leader Ahmadinejad is a master at getting Iranian voters to back him in his anti American agenda” actually this isn’t quite the case. The Iranian party that Ahmadinejad is part of had a different candiate running for president, but they then switched their presidential candiate with 5 days notice. Hence many Iranians went to the polls thinking that their pres was in fact more moderate and Iranians have consistently voted for more moderate folks since then. I might add the pres doesn’t really run iran, but the supreme leader / ayatollah who hasn’t changed in awhile.

]]> By: Martin Varsavsky http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/new-ideas/should-i-stay-or-should-i-go-us-in-iraq.html#comment-2087 Martin Varsavsky Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:19:38 +0000 http://192.168.1.2/en/?p=602#comment-2087 I agree, but the referendum could also take that into account and tally results per group. Maybe both the Sunnis and the Shias want the USA out, maybe they don´t. I agree, but the referendum could also take that into account and tally results per group. Maybe both the Sunnis and the Shias want the USA out, maybe they don´t.

]]> By: Elliott http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/new-ideas/should-i-stay-or-should-i-go-us-in-iraq.html#comment-2086 Elliott Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:38:22 +0000 http://192.168.1.2/en/?p=602#comment-2086 Before one has a system of democracy where the majority rules, one must have a well-informed population imbued with morality and ethics. Otherwise, if one poses the question, “Should we evict all the Sunnis?” the overwhelming majority of the Shiites might vote for it. Voting is much easier than blowing up your old cars in the midst of Sunnis and/or Sunni sites. The majority [or the most powerful] is not always right. That is why we have a system with a free press and with courts to monitor and possibly overturn the rule of the majority. BTW, the sand sculptor would do very well at the annual Narragansett, Rhode Island sand sculpture tournament. Before one has a system of democracy where the majority rules, one must have a well-informed population imbued with morality and ethics. Otherwise, if one poses the question, “Should we evict all the Sunnis?” the overwhelming majority of the Shiites might vote for it. Voting is much easier than blowing up your old cars in the midst of Sunnis and/or Sunni sites. The majority [or the most powerful] is not always right. That is why we have a system with a free press and with courts to monitor and possibly overturn the rule of the majority.

BTW, the sand sculptor would do very well at the annual Narragansett, Rhode Island sand sculpture tournament.

]]> By: Martin Varsavsky http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/new-ideas/should-i-stay-or-should-i-go-us-in-iraq.html#comment-2085 Martin Varsavsky Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:25:59 +0000 http://192.168.1.2/en/?p=602#comment-2085 Personally, I think that something close to what happened in Lebanon will take place if the Americans leave and that is that confronted with the horror of mass destruction the Iraqis will stop fighting as the Lebanese did. Personally, I think that something close to what happened in Lebanon will take place if the Americans leave and that is that confronted with the horror of mass destruction the Iraqis will stop fighting as the Lebanese did.

]]> By: Antoin O Lachtnain http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/new-ideas/should-i-stay-or-should-i-go-us-in-iraq.html#comment-2084 Antoin O Lachtnain Fri, 29 Dec 2006 08:58:43 +0000 http://192.168.1.2/en/?p=602#comment-2084 The problem (well one problem) is that Iraq isn't really one country, it's made up of at least three minorities. If you had such a vote, quite likely there would be a majority within one minority or even two that would want to keep the Americans there. It's too late to go back and close the Pandora's Box now. If the Americans set a timetable to go, what do you think would happen next? I would be afraid that the whole thing would collapse into deeper civil war and this in turn would make the whole region even less stable. Not that having them stay is a very attractive option either. The problem (well one problem) is that Iraq isn’t really one country, it’s made up of at least three minorities. If you had such a vote, quite likely there would be a majority within one minority or even two that would want to keep the Americans there.

It’s too late to go back and close the Pandora’s Box now. If the Americans set a timetable to go, what do you think would happen next? I would be afraid that the whole thing would collapse into deeper civil war and this in turn would make the whole region even less stable.

Not that having them stay is a very attractive option either.

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