1) Several people have suggested that secular societies can be equally or even more moral than religious ones. I guess that depends on your definition of moral. If someone defines abortion as immoral while another defines abortion as moral who is “more moral”. I think morality should have a much narrower definition. For example, “Killing when not in defense of yourself or others is immoral”. This would make abortion immoral for 99.9% of cases and hence would make societies that allow abortion immoral.

2) A lot of people are pointing their fingers at so called religious countries, (in particular Christian countries) as being oppresive or doing things that they consider wrong or evil or bad. My comment here is that if you want to see what any religion is about look at what their faith teaches and then look at the people that really practice that faith. In terms of Christianity you will find real Christians giving huge amounts of money to charitable organizations all over the world who help a lot of people regardless of their lifestyle or faith. I heard somewhere, (although I’ll need to research it to make sure) that most of the hospitals in Africa were started by Christians. Basically what I am saying is religion changes an individual for better or worse and using Christianity as an example I see more real Christians being selfless than non-Christians.

3) For the people who commented on abortion in Spain and how great that is will maybe change their minds when they get overrun by muslims who have 3x+ the birth rate of non-muslims in Europe. Sharia law is just around the corner friends and if you don’t think this can happen look at the history of Lebanon.

What are all these religious people accomplishing? Sure there is alot of moralizing, but what do they change? Besides every social group is always telling the others how to live.

Now the internet is a swamp of ads. Sports shows are a swamp of ads. Our biggest heroes aren’t reglious people, they are pitchmen like Oprah and J-Lo.

I made a mistake writing that sentence. I should have said, “now the only growing religious group is Muslims immigrants”. As to my views all religions are fine but pls get them out of politics!

Although a gross generalisation and distortion this point is deserving of some attention. It is true that Islam is gaining a strong foothold in many formerly Christian countries. This is for two reasons: (1) a higher birth rate, and (2) converts to Islam from other religions (or from no religion).

I have two questions for Martin:

(1) You seem to applaud the decline of Christianity in Spain. Though you probably have different motives, the “only religious group” (the Muslims) would most likely applaud too. Given your shared goals, would you prefer to live under Islamic Sharia law?

(2) I am a Christian. Do you think my faith should be outlawed?

James

A friend of mine from Spain even told me that doing drugs during weddings is a common habit nowadays.