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	<title>Comments on: FON Got an Order for 400,000 Fonera WiFi Routers this Week</title>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I use foneras all the time and everywhere.&quot; ... I&#039;d like to see your FON visitor listing anytime to see that... 

&quot;I also see the customer care reports&quot; ... do you also get the statistics of how many have been answered within 48h before being autoclosed? most if not all people tell the only response is the automated response...if they get a response it&#039;s to go ask the developers on www.fonosfera.org... and they quietly left the building in december... 

&quot;But now I don’t see any major bugs. Can you elaborate?&quot; ... well last weekend I took a boxed fonera 2.0n ...connected it... tried to surf to 192.168.10.1 ... I got a black/white webpage... looks like CSS file was missing... in the end I was able to find out how to upgrade from 2.2.6.0 to 2.3.0.0  ... but I do miss the auto updates from fonera 1.0 times that would fix these on the spot as soon as it was connected to the internet... You should never save on QA ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I use foneras all the time and everywhere.&#8221; &#8230; I&#8217;d like to see your FON visitor listing anytime to see that&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8220;I also see the customer care reports&#8221; &#8230; do you also get the statistics of how many have been answered within 48h before being autoclosed? most if not all people tell the only response is the automated response&#8230;if they get a response it&#8217;s to go ask the developers on <a href="http://www.fonosfera.org.." rel="nofollow">http://www.fonosfera.org..</a>. and they quietly left the building in december&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8220;But now I don’t see any major bugs. Can you elaborate?&#8221; &#8230; well last weekend I took a boxed fonera 2.0n &#8230;connected it&#8230; tried to surf to 192.168.10.1 &#8230; I got a black/white webpage&#8230; looks like CSS file was missing&#8230; in the end I was able to find out how to upgrade from 2.2.6.0 to 2.3.0.0  &#8230; but I do miss the auto updates from fonera 1.0 times that would fix these on the spot as soon as it was connected to the internet&#8230; You should never save on QA &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DeclanC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeclanC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Martin 

Congratulations on the continued rise of FON. I have been a supporter since day one. Sadly, however, I must lend support wouter&#039;s comment about the stability of the Fon 2.0n. I pre-ordered one, to replace older Wifi setup (including older Fon plus accessories). 
Sadly, my Fon 2.0n has never been reliable. I keep up to date on all the Fon boards, tried the RCs (Rudolph was in fact more stable in my experience). All to no avail and frustratingly familiar network failures. After many many hours of tinkering and geek bashing from my wife, I have removed the router and boxed it. (It wasn&#039;t stable in isolation and interfered within a &lt;i&gt;multiple&lt;/i&gt; Wifi signal environment.)
I hope the severity of my issues are isolated. 

Please consider my purchase of the 2.0n a donation to the cause. I&#039;ll keep in touch to see if they fix the issues and might give it a try again then. &lt;i&gt;Just don&#039;t tell my wife!&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Martin </p>
<p>Congratulations on the continued rise of FON. I have been a supporter since day one. Sadly, however, I must lend support wouter&#8217;s comment about the stability of the Fon 2.0n. I pre-ordered one, to replace older Wifi setup (including older Fon plus accessories).<br />
Sadly, my Fon 2.0n has never been reliable. I keep up to date on all the Fon boards, tried the RCs (Rudolph was in fact more stable in my experience). All to no avail and frustratingly familiar network failures. After many many hours of tinkering and geek bashing from my wife, I have removed the router and boxed it. (It wasn&#8217;t stable in isolation and interfered within a <i>multiple</i> Wifi signal environment.)<br />
I hope the severity of my issues are isolated. </p>
<p>Please consider my purchase of the 2.0n a donation to the cause. I&#8217;ll keep in touch to see if they fix the issues and might give it a try again then. <i>Just don&#8217;t tell my wife!</i></p>
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		<title>By: Jos meijer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jos meijer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>

Do you have any contact with the workfloor still?

please read the support requests on developement digest on fonosfera regarding Gor did you ever see http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&amp;t=6644?

3G simply wont work, at least not through a hub, and if you want to use any of the gadgets you might want to connect some kind of storage, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have any contact with the workfloor still?</p>
<p>please read the support requests on developement digest on fonosfera regarding Gor did you ever see <a href="http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&#038;t=6644?" rel="nofollow">http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&#038;t=6644?</a></p>
<p>3G simply wont work, at least not through a hub, and if you want to use any of the gadgets you might want to connect some kind of storage, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Jos meijer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jos meijer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great, 
maybe it is an idea to use some of  the money that this deal generates on hiring real developers that make the firmware work as  it should 
(including 3G) instead of playing with their hobbies and adding more and more gadgets noone asked for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great,<br />
maybe it is an idea to use some of  the money that this deal generates on hiring real developers that make the firmware work as  it should<br />
(including 3G) instead of playing with their hobbies and adding more and more gadgets noone asked for?</p>
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		<title>By: Charbax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charbax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds really great. I guess this might be too early for those to have Fem2cells built-in, since the WiFi-only router probably is 5x cheaper to make at this point.

I really am sometimes impressed with some of the cool deals we can get in certain European countries for data-only and pre-paid-only HSDPA data access. For example Three is pretty good in Denmark and Sweden, through oister.dk or cbb.dk we can get 10GB monthly bandwidth for 20€ per month just pre-paid no contracts.

If the FON router costs only 20€ to mass manufacture, it would absolutely totally make sense for someone like Three to approach you and order 400 thousand units of the basic Fonera. And then what they should do is offer free routers to all of their customers. In exchange for the customer installing the router on their home ADSL/Cable/Fiber connection, the customer could for example get 10GB HSDPA + Unlimited free WiFi on FON. And the Voice/SMS customers could get cheaper voice calls when they are on WiFi. And all the mobile phones could get firmware updates that let them automatically roam over to FONspots when they are available.

Which they should then upgrade later to Fem2cells and later to Fem 2 White Spaces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds really great. I guess this might be too early for those to have Fem2cells built-in, since the WiFi-only router probably is 5x cheaper to make at this point.</p>
<p>I really am sometimes impressed with some of the cool deals we can get in certain European countries for data-only and pre-paid-only HSDPA data access. For example Three is pretty good in Denmark and Sweden, through oister.dk or cbb.dk we can get 10GB monthly bandwidth for 20€ per month just pre-paid no contracts.</p>
<p>If the FON router costs only 20€ to mass manufacture, it would absolutely totally make sense for someone like Three to approach you and order 400 thousand units of the basic Fonera. And then what they should do is offer free routers to all of their customers. In exchange for the customer installing the router on their home ADSL/Cable/Fiber connection, the customer could for example get 10GB HSDPA + Unlimited free WiFi on FON. And the Voice/SMS customers could get cheaper voice calls when they are on WiFi. And all the mobile phones could get firmware updates that let them automatically roam over to FONspots when they are available.</p>
<p>Which they should then upgrade later to Fem2cells and later to Fem 2 White Spaces.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Varsavsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Varsavsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I see WiFi as complementary to 3G networks.  3G networks can cope with mobile traffic but not with stationary traffic, traffic from your home, your office which is much greater than when you move around.  And that is where WiFi is of great help.  Also for the mobile operators who spent a fortune for mobile data it means a lot of savings in CAPEX.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I see WiFi as complementary to 3G networks.  3G networks can cope with mobile traffic but not with stationary traffic, traffic from your home, your office which is much greater than when you move around.  And that is where WiFi is of great help.  Also for the mobile operators who spent a fortune for mobile data it means a lot of savings in CAPEX.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Varsavsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Varsavsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully not your whole life!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully not your whole life!!</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Varsavsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Varsavsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t disclose the country sorry.  But we will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t disclose the country sorry.  But we will.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Varsavsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Varsavsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use foneras all the time and everywhere.  I also see the customer care reports and wrote in my blog that our first software releases were buggy and apologized for them.  But now I don&#039;t see any major bugs.  Can you elaborate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use foneras all the time and everywhere.  I also see the customer care reports and wrote in my blog that our first software releases were buggy and apologized for them.  But now I don&#8217;t see any major bugs.  Can you elaborate?</p>
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		<title>By: wouter</title>
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		<dc:creator>wouter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope this will put some pressure on the R&amp;D team to make the wifi working and stable. Because original firmware and latest release candidate isn&#039;t at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this will put some pressure on the R&amp;D team to make the wifi working and stable. Because original firmware and latest release candidate isn&#8217;t at the moment.</p>
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