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		<title>By: David Flitterman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Flitterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Martin,

China going nuclear for its power generation, while possibly controversial, actually makes a lot of sense, as I think Pablo also concluded. James Lovelock, a renowned green Ecologist, and early advocate of the need to combat Global Warming, is surprisingly very much in favor of nuclear power. While Fusion Power may be the ultimate solution, today we have to make do with Fission. But, he concludes it is still a much more efficient power generator with LESS cost to the environment than Fossil Fuels. Here are a few startling facts from James Lovelock&#039;s &quot;Revenge of Gaia&quot;: Our population today burns 27 billion tons of CO2 yearly. If it were possible to capture all this gas and keep it from escaping into the atmosphere, it would require a mountainlike container almost 1 mile high and 12 miles in circumference at the base - EVERY YEAR to store it. The same amount of energy generated by nuclear fission produces 2 million times LESS WASTE, and would fit into a cube only 16 meters in volume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Martin,</p>
<p>China going nuclear for its power generation, while possibly controversial, actually makes a lot of sense, as I think Pablo also concluded. James Lovelock, a renowned green Ecologist, and early advocate of the need to combat Global Warming, is surprisingly very much in favor of nuclear power. While Fusion Power may be the ultimate solution, today we have to make do with Fission. But, he concludes it is still a much more efficient power generator with LESS cost to the environment than Fossil Fuels. Here are a few startling facts from James Lovelock&#8217;s &#8220;Revenge of Gaia&#8221;: Our population today burns 27 billion tons of CO2 yearly. If it were possible to capture all this gas and keep it from escaping into the atmosphere, it would require a mountainlike container almost 1 mile high and 12 miles in circumference at the base &#8211; EVERY YEAR to store it. The same amount of energy generated by nuclear fission produces 2 million times LESS WASTE, and would fit into a cube only 16 meters in volume.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra Lowenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandra Lowenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 03:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,
China should not go nuclear...they should lead the future by picking up where the US and its petro-slaves refuse to go.

www.energystate.org

1 book says it all: http://www.amazon.com/Harnessing-Wheelwork-Nature-Teslas-Science/dp/1931882045</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,<br />
China should not go nuclear&#8230;they should lead the future by picking up where the US and its petro-slaves refuse to go.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.energystate.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.energystate.org</a></p>
<p>1 book says it all: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Harnessing-Wheelwork-Nature-Teslas-Science/dp/1931882045" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Harnessing-Wheelwork-Nature-Teslas-Science/dp/1931882045</a></p>
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		<title>By: Martin Varsavsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Varsavsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Pablo, 

One of the reasons I write my blog is to learn from commentators such as yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Pablo, </p>
<p>One of the reasons I write my blog is to learn from commentators such as yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
		<link>http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/general/china-should-go-nuclear.html#comment-30788</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes David, the O&amp;M (operation and maintenance) costs for new Nuclear power plants are rather competitive with other technologies, however, when evaluating waste management and disposal the whole picture changes. In the case of china, large amounts of nuclear waste will be generated, that will lead to the construction of safe long-term underground repositories that could safeguard the life over ground. This is often called ‘environmental cost’ (EC) and it is associated with the damage (real or plausible) it will produce to the environment. To put in numbers:
 
Wind O&amp;M:  0.34-0.90 cents/kwh  
Nuclear O&amp;M : 2.75-1.15 cents/kwh 

These W&amp;D management are not so often considered when evaluating one marginal power plant, rather it is an ‘infrastructure country investment’ not included in Business cases.
 
Nevertheless, China is leading the nuclear investment, building 5 nuclear plants inland and 2 in Taiwan(China). India is as well building 7 Nuclear in 2007, while France is building 1. Personally, I believe that Nuclear is a good option for energy security in these high GDP economies, and perhaps the option to go nuclear is the only way to assure sufficient energy to keep growing, but it will not replace the actual generation matrix.

Note: approximated values in US Dollars, and for US markets
   Sources: http://www.world-nuclear.org/sym/1997/whitf.htm and http://climateprotectioncampaign.typepad.com/cpc/2006/03/cost_of_wind_vs.html

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes David, the O&amp;M (operation and maintenance) costs for new Nuclear power plants are rather competitive with other technologies, however, when evaluating waste management and disposal the whole picture changes. In the case of china, large amounts of nuclear waste will be generated, that will lead to the construction of safe long-term underground repositories that could safeguard the life over ground. This is often called ‘environmental cost’ (EC) and it is associated with the damage (real or plausible) it will produce to the environment. To put in numbers:</p>
<p>Wind O&amp;M:  0.34-0.90 cents/kwh<br />
Nuclear O&amp;M : 2.75-1.15 cents/kwh </p>
<p>These W&amp;D management are not so often considered when evaluating one marginal power plant, rather it is an ‘infrastructure country investment’ not included in Business cases.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, China is leading the nuclear investment, building 5 nuclear plants inland and 2 in Taiwan(China). India is as well building 7 Nuclear in 2007, while France is building 1. Personally, I believe that Nuclear is a good option for energy security in these high GDP economies, and perhaps the option to go nuclear is the only way to assure sufficient energy to keep growing, but it will not replace the actual generation matrix.</p>
<p>Note: approximated values in US Dollars, and for US markets<br />
   Sources: <a href="http://www.world-nuclear.org/sym/1997/whitf.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.world-nuclear.org/sym/1997/whitf.htm</a> and <a href="http://climateprotectioncampaign.typepad.com/cpc/2006/03/cost_of_wind_vs.html" rel="nofollow">http://climateprotectioncampaign.typepad.com/cpc/2006/03/cost_of_wind_vs.html</a></p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pablo, 
Indeed nuclear plants are a huge investment, but unit production costs for nuclear are incredibly competitive once the operation is in place. Same for hydro but then output volumes are more volatile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pablo,<br />
Indeed nuclear plants are a huge investment, but unit production costs for nuclear are incredibly competitive once the operation is in place. Same for hydro but then output volumes are more volatile.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem for china going nuclear is again costs. While a new coil plant could cost something between 400 to 600u$s per kilowatt installed, a new nuclear is 2000-2400u$s.
The same happens with other technologies, such as wind (1500-2000u$s) although there are comments that they can reach values of 800u$s/kw.  A similar analysis could be done with Photovoltaics (PV) (2000u$s/kwh).

Wind, (PV), wave, tidal and many others new technologies are considered as intermittent. (The in/out line does not depend on the operation, rather on atmospheric situations). This is not a minor concern. Since grid networks should assure power regardless climatically conditions, intermittent technologies should not be in exceed of 20% of the whole country wide matrix capacity. Another concern is that the power factor (maximum amount of energy produced within the year in regard of the installed capacity) is no more than 49% (in best cases: Germany, Argentina, India). In other worlds, 1mw of installed wind energy would produce 490kwh.

There is not a short/mid term solution. On one hand, even though china starts deploying a vast nuclear infrastructure, with GDP&#039;s of two digits, the increase on demand in energy supply is marvellous, therefore very difficult to catch-up AND replace current matrix. On the other hand, if the cost of energy production goes up, annual growth will go down carrying with it many china-dependent economies. The migration should be progressive (30-50 years)

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem for china going nuclear is again costs. While a new coil plant could cost something between 400 to 600u$s per kilowatt installed, a new nuclear is 2000-2400u$s.<br />
The same happens with other technologies, such as wind (1500-2000u$s) although there are comments that they can reach values of 800u$s/kw.  A similar analysis could be done with Photovoltaics (PV) (2000u$s/kwh).</p>
<p>Wind, (PV), wave, tidal and many others new technologies are considered as intermittent. (The in/out line does not depend on the operation, rather on atmospheric situations). This is not a minor concern. Since grid networks should assure power regardless climatically conditions, intermittent technologies should not be in exceed of 20% of the whole country wide matrix capacity. Another concern is that the power factor (maximum amount of energy produced within the year in regard of the installed capacity) is no more than 49% (in best cases: Germany, Argentina, India). In other worlds, 1mw of installed wind energy would produce 490kwh.</p>
<p>There is not a short/mid term solution. On one hand, even though china starts deploying a vast nuclear infrastructure, with GDP&#8217;s of two digits, the increase on demand in energy supply is marvellous, therefore very difficult to catch-up AND replace current matrix. On the other hand, if the cost of energy production goes up, annual growth will go down carrying with it many china-dependent economies. The migration should be progressive (30-50 years)</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Sax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Sax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China could create a &quot;Manhattan project&quot; for renewable energy. For example, the efficiency of solar panels is very low today and could be improved immensely. There is a TON of innovation to be done in converting, transporting, and storing energy. If they do the research (hold the patents), they can certainly do the manufacturing, and China could be the center of what will replace today&#039;s nuclear, coal, and oil industry. This may seem like only a long term solution, but the whole point of a &quot;Manhattan project&quot; is that it creates a sense of urgency that, combined with specific goals, produces results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China could create a &#8220;Manhattan project&#8221; for renewable energy. For example, the efficiency of solar panels is very low today and could be improved immensely. There is a TON of innovation to be done in converting, transporting, and storing energy. If they do the research (hold the patents), they can certainly do the manufacturing, and China could be the center of what will replace today&#8217;s nuclear, coal, and oil industry. This may seem like only a long term solution, but the whole point of a &#8220;Manhattan project&#8221; is that it creates a sense of urgency that, combined with specific goals, produces results.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Business News Research &#187; China should go nuclear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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