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	<title>Comments on: ISP Contracts and FON, Should You Worry?</title>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/fon/isp-contracts-and-fon-should-you-worry.html#comment-109754</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though there are contracts from ISP&#039;s, people shouldnt have to worry about anything. http://t1-connection.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though there are contracts from ISP&#8217;s, people shouldnt have to worry about anything. <a href="http://t1-connection.com" rel="nofollow">http://t1-connection.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/fon/isp-contracts-and-fon-should-you-worry.html#comment-51486</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think both are needed as well.  I just switched to a high speed internet provider for DSL thats affordable and reliable.  I live in new york, and I they service all of the U.S.  Check out the site if anyone is interested: &lt;a href=&quot;http://bandwidthdomain.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bandwidthdomain.com
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think both are needed as well.  I just switched to a high speed internet provider for DSL thats affordable and reliable.  I live in new york, and I they service all of the U.S.  Check out the site if anyone is interested: <a href="http://bandwidthdomain.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://bandwidthdomain.com" rel="nofollow">http://bandwidthdomain.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Martin Varsavsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Varsavsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both are needed, Jos.  As far as Fonero support we are very pleased with the progress but there´s more to come.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both are needed, Jos.  As far as Fonero support we are very pleased with the progress but there´s more to come.</p>
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		<title>By: euronerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>euronerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good customer support will increase FON&#039;s signal range more than any Antenna will ever be able to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good customer support will increase FON&#8217;s signal range more than any Antenna will ever be able to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Varsavsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Varsavsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, thanks Paulo for your comment.  How would meshing help Fon?  We can easily implement meshing but we don´t see how that would really help grow the movement.  The concept of Fon is that you share a little WiFi at home and you roam the world for free.  We believe that what we need is what we are about to introduce and that is the Fontenna which triples the range of a Fon signal.  Meshing degrades quality and creates a fonero who does not contribute bandwidth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, thanks Paulo for your comment.  How would meshing help Fon?  We can easily implement meshing but we don´t see how that would really help grow the movement.  The concept of Fon is that you share a little WiFi at home and you roam the world for free.  We believe that what we need is what we are about to introduce and that is the Fontenna which triples the range of a Fon signal.  Meshing degrades quality and creates a fonero who does not contribute bandwidth.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Varsavsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Varsavsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, 

The way FON checks that this does not happen is by limiting the bandwidth that Foneros have available for others.  But we can look into implementing other filters.  In any case at Fon you are either a donor somewhere or you pay 3 euros for the first day and 2 euros every day thereafter.  If you are a donor then you would tend to do your downloading at your own home and not use someone else´s connection.  If you are not a donor you are unlikely to pay 2 euros too many days in a row cause it´s cheaper to get your own connection.  Most people will do their P2P through their own connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, </p>
<p>The way FON checks that this does not happen is by limiting the bandwidth that Foneros have available for others.  But we can look into implementing other filters.  In any case at Fon you are either a donor somewhere or you pay 3 euros for the first day and 2 euros every day thereafter.  If you are a donor then you would tend to do your downloading at your own home and not use someone else´s connection.  If you are not a donor you are unlikely to pay 2 euros too many days in a row cause it´s cheaper to get your own connection.  Most people will do their P2P through their own connection.</p>
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		<title>By: Anirban</title>
		<link>http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/fon/isp-contracts-and-fon-should-you-worry.html#comment-2591</link>
		<dc:creator>Anirban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for causing trouble to you.

Its not about winning or losing, Martin. If you lose and give up, I will lose in some ways too...I use FON myself and like the idea very much but the concerns raised here are real for most people I felt. So I commented. It is quite disappointing to see someone who is trying to reach out to people through his blog would end a discussion with a visitor who had just started visiting his blog...that too saying its tiring to discuss. I am neither an Argentinian, nor Spanish, nor have I lived in America long enough...I guess such reactions are some sort of culture shock I need to go through before I become less sensitive to such comments like the one you just made to me.  

Anyways, I like Eric&#039;s suggestions and would second that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for causing trouble to you.</p>
<p>Its not about winning or losing, Martin. If you lose and give up, I will lose in some ways too&#8230;I use FON myself and like the idea very much but the concerns raised here are real for most people I felt. So I commented. It is quite disappointing to see someone who is trying to reach out to people through his blog would end a discussion with a visitor who had just started visiting his blog&#8230;that too saying its tiring to discuss. I am neither an Argentinian, nor Spanish, nor have I lived in America long enough&#8230;I guess such reactions are some sort of culture shock I need to go through before I become less sensitive to such comments like the one you just made to me.  </p>
<p>Anyways, I like Eric&#8217;s suggestions and would second that.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Varsavsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Varsavsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 14:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Eric!  Great sugestions let me look into them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Eric!  Great sugestions let me look into them.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Varsavsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Varsavsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine, u win Anirban. Pls end, I am so tired of debating u!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine, u win Anirban. Pls end, I am so tired of debating u!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

Great idea with FON... I just setup the first fonspot in my city. Although there are performance issues with the la fonera (becomes hot, poor signal quality and transmit power, no meshing, no diversity antenna, no port forwarding or UPNP,etc.), I think FON is a great idea overall.

To the others who continue to raise the issue of FON providing immunity or indemnity against prosecution, I cannot help but laugh. Who genuinely expects their service provider (why FON is in some way) to provide them indemnity? That FON is willing to provide logs of the bills and linus&#039; that use the fon network should be sufficient, and would be more than many other groups would give you. Nor do I believe that other ISP&#039;s have a 24/7 legal team on standby so that I can call them up and have the police go away when they show up with a warrant because my wi-fi was used for child porn. In addition, it is quite likely that these individuals would choose to use completely open hotspots and not those that require a login of any kind such as FON or other hotspot providers.

On another note, I would like to see FON introduce wondershaper or some other system that could block torrents, emule, overnet, kazaa, ares, etc. because while most users don&#039;t mind keeping ppl. connected, they don&#039;t want people hogging all the allocated bandwidth or be liable for contributory infringement. I already run a linux gateway that blocks these, but would prefer to see it built in and enabled by default on the public fon ssid so others can share without being taken advantage of. This would also reduce the strain on the la fonera (torrents are stressful to hardware). It would also be good if our login details were encrypted, because one can snoop and obtain my fon login credentials quite easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>Great idea with FON&#8230; I just setup the first fonspot in my city. Although there are performance issues with the la fonera (becomes hot, poor signal quality and transmit power, no meshing, no diversity antenna, no port forwarding or UPNP,etc.), I think FON is a great idea overall.</p>
<p>To the others who continue to raise the issue of FON providing immunity or indemnity against prosecution, I cannot help but laugh. Who genuinely expects their service provider (why FON is in some way) to provide them indemnity? That FON is willing to provide logs of the bills and linus&#8217; that use the fon network should be sufficient, and would be more than many other groups would give you. Nor do I believe that other ISP&#8217;s have a 24/7 legal team on standby so that I can call them up and have the police go away when they show up with a warrant because my wi-fi was used for child porn. In addition, it is quite likely that these individuals would choose to use completely open hotspots and not those that require a login of any kind such as FON or other hotspot providers.</p>
<p>On another note, I would like to see FON introduce wondershaper or some other system that could block torrents, emule, overnet, kazaa, ares, etc. because while most users don&#8217;t mind keeping ppl. connected, they don&#8217;t want people hogging all the allocated bandwidth or be liable for contributory infringement. I already run a linux gateway that blocks these, but would prefer to see it built in and enabled by default on the public fon ssid so others can share without being taken advantage of. This would also reduce the strain on the la fonera (torrents are stressful to hardware). It would also be good if our login details were encrypted, because one can snoop and obtain my fon login credentials quite easily.</p>
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